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Amir
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 Inserito il - 06 agosto 2012 : 20:14:31
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There is a problem.
In the folklore there is a lot of confusion about Lycosa tarantula and Latrodectus tredecimguttatus.
The venom of the first one is not dangerous, while the venom of the second can be fatal. The fact is that Lycosa is a much bigger spyder and people often attributed to it the bites.
So, if you want to produce a scientifically correct story, you must be carefull and distinguish the material that actually is related to Lycosa from what is related to Latrodectus, and, maybe, say something about the misunderstanding I said.
In our Gallery you can find many photos of both; then, you may choose an ask the author.
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Forest
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Inserito il - 06 agosto 2012 : 21:01:41
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Elleelle is right: in fact, the "Taranta" present in the Southern Italian traditions, which generated ritual dances like the "pizzica tarantata" (Apulia) and the "tarantella" (Campania), and the bite of which was treated with an elaborated ancient ritual (much studied by the anthropologists and labeled as "tarantismo") is actually a mythical imaginary spider, rather than the spider commonly called "Tarantola" in modern Standard Italian (Lycosa tarantula).
The real creature that probably gave its contribute to originate the beliefs about the "Taranta" was Latrodectus tredecimguttatus, as Luigi already said, explaining the reasons of the confusion with Lycosa.
Similar rites (which included burying the wounded person into a hot place, like an oven or hot manure, and dancing a specific and extremely long dance around him, usually quick and lively, obsessive, and accompanied with a tambourine or frame drum) were also present in the region Sardinia, where the mythical spider was called "Argia" (pronounced àrgia, meaning "spotted").
Those rites are probably of very ancient origin, related to ancient Greece, with traces of shamanistic beliefs.
In Sardinia, sometimes (but more rarely), the Argia was identified not only as the Latrodectus (as usual), but also as Mutilla sp., an insect, the puncture of which is painful. |
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Inserito il - 06 agosto 2012 : 22:37:19
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luigi and Forest
Tks for the comments
The issue of Latrodectus in the big story is well known.
It's also mentioned in all the researches I read which discuss the Tarantism history and folklore.
Forest add some new information regarding rituals which not mentioned in my sources. Tks
Question regarding "burying the wounded person into a hot place"
In which area of Italy this ritual was common and until when?
The Tarantism is only part of story line in my post
but its nice to learn new information.
During the investigation for the post I have learned also that Tarantulidae and Tarantula sp. was also used in Amblypygi taxonomy.
John Henry Comstock (USA) the author of "The spider book" (1913) complain for he forced to use the Tarantula name also for Theraphosidae since the public use only this name.
Anyway, any new or juicy stories regarding the tarantula folklore is welcome and appreciate.
I still Asking for the photos id any one like to share
Latrodectus tredecimguttatus are common in Israel and I have photos of them.
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Inserito il - 07 agosto 2012 : 00:36:13
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| Messaggio originario di Amir:
Question regarding "burying the wounded person into a hot place"
In which area of Italy this ritual was common and until when?
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This was a custom in Sardinia, during the ritual of the "Argia". It was still in use in the Fifties.
The ritual of Argia, itself, has been recorded in video in 1963.
However, I am reading now that in 1891 Janet Ross, in "Journey in the Land of Manfred, Prince of Taranto", writes that the victim was placed in a warm bed, so there can be some analogies in Apulia.
On the contrary, Ernesto De Martino, in his important essay about tarantism, "La terra del rimorso", points out that this habit is mainly typical of Sardinia.
Other interesting books are "I rituali dell'argia", 1967, by Clara Gallini, and, of the same Author, a much more recent book, "La ballerina variopinta", 1988 (I don't have them, but I would like to…)
You might also be interested in this video. |
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Inserito il - 07 agosto 2012 : 10:11:35
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As Latrodectus tredecimguttatus - the true responsible of the diseases - has a neurotoxic venom that depresses respiration and heart rhythm, may be that to induce fast movements, as by dancing, and producing termical stresses to the bite victim could counteract the venom effects.
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