|
|
|
Galleria Tassonomica di
Natura Mediterraneo
|
Nota! La determinazione degli insetti necessita quasi sempre di un'indicazione geografica e temporale precisa. Invitiamo quindi gli utenti ad inserire questi dati ogni volta che viene richiesta una determinazione o viene postata una foto di un insetto. I dati forniti dagli utenti ci consentiranno anche di attribuire un valore scientifico alle segnalazioni, contribuendo a migliorare e integrare le attuali conoscenze sulla distribuzione delle specie postate.
|
|
Autore |
Discussione |
|
elleelle
Moderatore Trasversale
Città: roma
Regione: Lazio
32996 Messaggi Flora e Fauna |
|
gomphus
Moderatore
Città: Milano
Prov.: Milano
Regione: Lombardia
10487 Messaggi Tutti i Forum |
Inserito il - 28 marzo 2012 : 14:18:04
|
ciao luigi
Chlaeniellus vestitus
maurizio
quando l'ultimo albero sarà stato abbattuto, l'ultimo fiume avvelenato, l'ultimo pesce pescato, allora ci accorgeremo che i soldi non si possono mangiare
|
|
|
elleelle
Moderatore Trasversale
Città: roma
Regione: Lazio
32996 Messaggi Flora e Fauna |
Inserito il - 28 marzo 2012 : 16:54:43
|
L'avevo cercato come Claenius e non come Claeniellus ..... luigi
|
|
|
Klaas Reißmann
Utente Senior
Città: Kamp-Lintfort, Nordreno-Vestfalia
Regione: Germany
1614 Messaggi Tutti i Forum |
Inserito il - 29 marzo 2012 : 16:15:34
|
Chlaeniellus is subgenus of Chlaenius. Maybe someone without work found some arguments to make the subgenus a genus. But in my mind this is worthless work and splitting things that shouldn't be splitted.
Ciao Klaas |
|
|
gomphus
Moderatore
Città: Milano
Prov.: Milano
Regione: Lombardia
10487 Messaggi Tutti i Forum |
Inserito il - 29 marzo 2012 : 21:57:25
|
hi klaas
in this and other cases, the debate "genus vs subgenus" is endless; because of the impossibility to definitely solve the question, since different specialists argue for or against the splitting of the concerned genus, in FNM we agreed to follow, for convenience, the arrangement of fauna europaea (Link), which considers Chlaeniellus as valid genus
maurizio
quando l'ultimo albero sarà stato abbattuto, l'ultimo fiume avvelenato, l'ultimo pesce pescato, allora ci accorgeremo che i soldi non si possono mangiare
|
|
|
Klaas Reißmann
Utente Senior
Città: Kamp-Lintfort, Nordreno-Vestfalia
Regione: Germany
1614 Messaggi Tutti i Forum |
Inserito il - 30 marzo 2012 : 15:31:01
|
Hi Maurizio,
there will always be arguments to follow the one or the other opinion. Question is, if it is necessary to follow every (sorry that I say it in these hard words)fart comming out of someones brain who is looking for some work.
Carolus Linnaeus in vented his binary nomenclature to bring clarity into complexity of nature. And I guess we should go back to the roots instead of producing science where is no need for science. The guys collecting butterflies went the way to tell whos nomenclature they follow. so if we don't use the (sorry again) fart of a wannabe he can decide to stay in his opinion not noticed by anyone, or he can go the way it should be.
It is like in the Cerambycidae: first Leptura, than Corymbia, than Stictoleptura..., within less than 10 years. When do we get the next new name and when do we get back to Leptura? No wonder that layman can't follow and even don't want to follow. And no wonder, that 90% of human beings don't have any sympathy for us and for spending time or money for our idiocy. People shall use scientific names, because they persist. But they don't. Those so called scientists write away our brains, any acceptance and make a useful system totaly unuseful. We get to the point where is no need to use this system, because you don't know if this system still exists, when you're using it. And the constant change makes more and more work by finding out the synonyms.
Coleopterologists oin former times knew Hydrous piceus is Hydrous piceus. That name exist for more than hundred years. and all of sudden it was not good enough anymore. why? Because someone noticed, that the name Hydrophilus is the right one by the international rules of entomology. But these rules give you the way to ask to keep the known name instead of the right name. Why don't they ask for it? Because it would benmore work and because one can't distinguish oneself. You can't make your name well known, you can't make a specialist of yourself, because this would be hidden action. Is it necessary to give those narcissistic guys what they want?
We (I) do work for the beetles, not for the persons..., I thought. But it gets more and more working for the persons and the beetles are absolutely uninterresting and only the needed part to live with their narcissistic behavior.
sorry.
Ciao Klaas |
|
|
gomphus
Moderatore
Città: Milano
Prov.: Milano
Regione: Lombardia
10487 Messaggi Tutti i Forum |
Inserito il - 30 marzo 2012 : 19:43:50
|
hi klaas
your considerations are indeed interesting , yet they require a detailed answer... in this moment i have no time enough
i will answer as soon as possible
maurizio
quando l'ultimo albero sarà stato abbattuto, l'ultimo fiume avvelenato, l'ultimo pesce pescato, allora ci accorgeremo che i soldi non si possono mangiare
|
|
|
|
Discussione |
|
|
|
Natura Mediterraneo |
© 2003-2024 Natura Mediterraneo |
|
|
Leps.it | Herp.it | Lynkos.net
|