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Nota! La determinazione degli insetti necessita quasi sempre di un'indicazione geografica e temporale precisa. Invitiamo quindi gli utenti ad inserire questi dati ogni volta che viene richiesta una determinazione o viene postata una foto di un insetto. I dati forniti dagli utenti ci consentiranno anche di attribuire un valore scientifico alle segnalazioni, contribuendo a migliorare e integrare le attuali conoscenze sulla distribuzione delle specie postate.
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Jacopone
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Città: Venezia
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Regione: Italy
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Klaas Reißmann
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Città: Kamp-Lintfort, Nordreno-Vestfalia
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Inserito il - 18 settembre 2012 : 19:33:11
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Questo è Acanthoderes clavipes.
Ciao Klaas |
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gomphus
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Prov.: Milano
Regione: Lombardia
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Inserito il - 18 settembre 2012 : 22:55:39
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| Messaggio originario di Klaas Reißmann:
Questo è Acanthoderes clavipes.
Ciao Klaas
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... cioè quello che adesso si chiama Aegomorphus clavipes |
maurizio
quando l'ultimo albero sarà stato abbattuto, l'ultimo fiume avvelenato, l'ultimo pesce pescato, allora ci accorgeremo che il denaro non si può mangiare
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Klaas Reißmann
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Città: Kamp-Lintfort, Nordreno-Vestfalia
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Inserito il - 18 settembre 2012 : 23:53:28
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But only as long is someone, who has got nothing to do, too, is going to put it back to Acanthoderes. The switch from one genus to another or a new one is sort of doing some work without sense. How ever, I guess we are comming to the point where one has to tell which nomenklature one is following. |
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Jacopone
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Inserito il - 19 settembre 2012 : 15:19:59
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Grazie mille! |
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elleelle
Moderatore Trasversale
Città: roma
Regione: Lazio
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Inserito il - 19 settembre 2012 : 15:51:46
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Here is what is written in Fauna Europaea (our normal reference):
Genus group name(s)
Aegomorphus Haldeman 1847 [Genus]
= Acanthoderes auct.
= Psapharochrus auct. |
Modificato da - elleelle in data 19 settembre 2012 22:25:55 |
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gomphus
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Città: Milano
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Inserito il - 19 settembre 2012 : 21:38:00
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| Messaggio originario di Klaas Reißmann:
But only as long is someone, who has got nothing to do, too, is going to put it back to Acanthoderes. The switch from one genus to another or a new one is sort of doing some work without sense. How ever, I guess we are comming to the point where one has to tell which nomenklature one is following.
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hi klaas
my knowledge about longhorn beetles is close to zero, when ground beetles are concerned, i can try to express my own opinion, whether a particular proposed changed appears justified, or it clearly is a nonsense... but about longhorn beetles, or other groups, i only can take into account what specialists say |
maurizio
quando l'ultimo albero sarà stato abbattuto, l'ultimo fiume avvelenato, l'ultimo pesce pescato, allora ci accorgeremo che il denaro non si può mangiare
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Klaas Reißmann
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Città: Kamp-Lintfort, Nordreno-Vestfalia
Regione: Germany
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Inserito il - 19 settembre 2012 : 22:37:10
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Hi Maurizio,
I've got my own opinion about this and don't always follow those experts. The first thing in my mind is, that Carolus Linnaeus invented his binary nomenclature to make nature clear. Those splitters go for it to make it more and more unclear.
There is nothing in the world that can't be illustrated f.e. in sugenuses. Take a look at genus Chlaenius, which is splitted and the subgenuses are grenus now - where is the use in doing this? There is no use and some else with bring it back to one genus within the next 10 or 20 years. It is always the same in scientific names. Someone is splitting, another person puts it together again. What is the use of this change every few years?
Harpalus was splitted into Harpalus, Ophonus, Pseudoophonus and some more. Most of this genus' are Harpalus again today. And in a few years there will be someone without enough work who will be splitting again.
There is no use for it. A genus should be staying in a group that can visibly seen as one so far (there will be always exceptions to the rule). But splitting genus', giving animals a new scientific name, because one found out that the species was described earlier under another name, makes scientific names worth not more than popular names. And you do have the possibility to keep a well known name (f.e. Hydrous piceus - Hydrophilus piceus).
I don't like the happening of the last 20 years. In my mind it is useless. Names should keep their validity not only for a few month, but for a longer time of years, maybe a life long. All happening to names today is absolutely contra productive and takes away the understanding for the use of scientific names. We want "normal" people to understand the quality of our work, by taking away the qualitxy and taking away its sense.
Ciao Klaas |
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