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vitlated
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Città: Porto/Portugal
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FOX
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Città: BAGNO A RIPOLI
Regione: Toscana
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 Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 19:39:19
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First Welcome in this Forum....
We can't see a lot, do you have more pictures?
We waiting for the expert caming.
Bye
Simo
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Bigeye
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Città: viterbo
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Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 19:55:06
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ciao e benvenuto vitlated
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it seems a Mallard, Anas platyrhynchos female with her chicks.
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okkione
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vitlated
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Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 20:00:25
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Thanks...
Well i will whait for more opinions about it, but thanks any way...In the meen time you could visit my web site just to se my foto album...In a few day's i will make an articl about this duck..
Link
By the way, im from Portugal, and i have to say thanks to this forum, it helps me alot, even when i make the Podarcis hispânica article.
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bye bye, and keep helping me, just to be sure that this duck is really the Mallard, Anas platyrhynchos female with her chicks.
thanks
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FOX
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Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 20:07:48
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Ciao Helder,
really nice site and nice pictures.
Many thanks for to have put the link of Naturamediterraneo in your site.
Soon
Simo
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macromicro
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Città: Piovene Rocchette
Prov.: Vicenza
Regione: Veneto
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Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 20:45:50
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Welcome in this Forum
Gianfranco |
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mazzeip
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Città: Rocca di Papa
Prov.: Roma
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Inserito il - 01 giugno 2006 : 21:49:45
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Hi, welcome! As far as I know, the colour of the bill of Anas platyrhynchos female is orange and not dark grey, anyway a side view would help... it could be a Gadwall (male) as well (Anas strepera), or a female Pintail (Anas acuta).
Any picture of lizards from Azores? 
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Bigeye
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Città: viterbo
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Inserito il - 02 giugno 2006 : 09:27:23
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paolo,
il colore del becco della femmina del Germano reale è altamente variabile. vedere ad esempio Wildfowl. Madge e Burn. 1988. Helm.
Inoltre sia nella femmina di Codone, Anas acuta che nel maschio di Canapiglia, Anas strepera (che peraltro presenta un pattern del piumaggio del petto assai diverso rispetto alla foto postata) non è presente una stria oculare così marcata e scura come si può invece vedere nella foto postata dall'amico vitlated.
linko una immagine di femmina di Germano reale con i pullus per confronto:
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okkione
p.s. comunque se ci fossero altre immagini sarebbero senz'altro benvenute.
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vitlated
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Inserito il - 02 giugno 2006 : 12:29:29
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Hello to all
Thanks for you answers. But please try to answer in english so i can understand.
Well my personal opinion is that it is an Anas platyrhynchos, i'm see it in the chicks, but i'm still no sure.
Bigeye,
...thanks for the help, but i don't really understant italian, but i try to get there...
mazzeip
Thanks, i'm try to put here more fotos for you all, and i hope it helps... From azores i don't find any lizard good to catch on my camera, insted, i fotograf a beautiful spider, and soon you will se it. Keep in toutch so you can help me identify it too.
Thanks to all...
See you soon.. Don't forget that i will need some help to identify and spider very soon. |
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Bigeye
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Inserito il - 02 giugno 2006 : 18:06:20
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| Messaggio originario di vitlated:
Hello to all
Bigeye,
...thanks for the help, but i don't really understant italian, but i try to get there...
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I'm sorry vitlated, but my english isn't so good to traslate perfectly my words.
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FOX
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Inserito il - 02 giugno 2006 : 18:09:33
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Hi Vitlated,
see the link may be will help you.
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Simo
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Fabribor
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Inserito il - 02 giugno 2006 : 22:20:55
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I think she is not a Mallard. Or, I mean, a pure Mallard.
The subject has dark tail, without whitish outermost feathers of Mallard, and grey (or dark olive) bill which is very rare in Mallard (and Gadwall too).
It is not impossible she is a female of American Black Duck (Anas rubripes) very similar to MAllard, but with dark olive-grey bill and darker plumage.
An hybrid would be possible, but the chicks evidence she is fertile, and such fertile hybrids are rare too.
My evaluation is made reading the Sibley "North American Bird Guide" |
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umbertogo
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Città: Calamandrana
Prov.: Asti
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Inserito il - 04 giugno 2006 : 19:14:37
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Dear Vitlated,
I have the feeling the bird may be a Black Duck (or at least have some 'americn blood') but as all otyer said without more picts is really hard.
For what conserns the situation of the Black ducks in Portugal you may want to contact SPEA at Link
Records of A. rubipes are requested to be evaluated by their Rarity Committee.
Please do not consider this a way to send you 'back to the sender' but simply a suggestion about where you can get more up-to-date and reliable info on this species in Europe!
and PLEASE let us know!!
Good luck!
Umberto
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vitlated
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Inserito il - 04 giugno 2006 : 19:46:24
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Hello...
Well seams to me that this indetification become more dificult than i thought. There for, i post here some more fotos. i hope this time it's more esy to see the specim of this duck.
FOTOS:
Bye bye, thanks for all the help that you been gave to me.
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macrourus
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Città: Siracusa
Prov.: Siracusa
Regione: Sicilia
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Inserito il - 09 giugno 2006 : 21:21:37
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Hi,
your bird its a very good quiz: I think its far to be easy!
Being a Mallard I wouldn't explain the almost complete lacking of white on tail but for some smudge of off white on the T1 pair rectrices, and even if this species its quite variable (especially due to introgression genetic flow by domestic mallards, polluting wild one quite widely) and the bill may be darker than usual birds I will be not 100% positive about its oidentification as female Mallard...
On the opposite, in tne other photos you posted, I may detect a white upper bar along the "speculum" of the bird, in Black Duck, that would be otherwise the best candidate, this is always lacking (at most a narrow white trailing edge alon the wing, often abraded and weared off by summer!)
Due to quite "fun-shaped" tail, the quite paler crown than a Black Duck, the obvisou dark smudge to the gape and general warmer colour I would also consider the possibility of it being a Mottled Duck...
Female indeed may show dark bill and whitish upper wing bar to the speculum... howvere the bill shape looks wrong to me (to thick and short)
This species may be would be a 1sy for Western palearctic I suppose, therefore I would be strongly conservative and careful about such identification...
In conbclusion, i could not have firm opinion of what it is... especially considering that hybridisation between Balck Duck and MAllard would be higly likely in Azores and would mess up all making a firm opinion too hard and risky
Hope to ne helpfull
Andrea Corso
NB: however, I suggest to submitt the records to the Spanish RC, in which I've a very good friend called Ricard Gutièrrezz
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